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Re: Twin coils 180 degrees out of phase : Weird happenning (fwd)





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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:15:55 +1200
From: Malcolm Watts <MALCOLM-at-directorate.wnp.ac.nz>
To: Tesla List <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
Subject: Re: Twin coils 180 degrees out of phase :  Weird happenning

Hi Erik,

> From:  ESchulz531-at-aol-dot-com [SMTP:ESchulz531-at-aol-dot-com]
> Sent:  Friday, July 03, 1998 6:45 PM
> To:  tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
> Subject:  Twin coils 180 degrees out of phase :  Weird happennings
> 
> OK,
>     I made two identical secondary.  Same inductance 20 mh, 
> only 0.2% off.  But my toriods are different.  One is 5" aluminum 
> duct about 17 pf and the other is 7" about 22 pf.  The primaries 
> are connected in series.  Same inductance in each.  Using 
> Medhurst formula I get a self capacitance of 11 pf.  So the additive 
> capacitance would be 28 pf and 33 pf.  So the frequency for each 
> coil should be 213 kHz and 196 kHz.  With the coils alone I 
> measured them to be 216 kHz and 198 kHz.
> 
> OK that's all great.  Now's the weird part
> 
> Now with the coils together I measured a 176 kHz frequency on 
> the 7" and 353 kHz on the 5".  ?  What in the world?  By the way 
> 176 * 2 = 352.  I couldn't find any second harmonic on the 7" but 
> I found a 2,3,4 harmonics on the 5".  The voltage on the 5" was 3 
> times greater than on the 7"
> 
> I measured the frequency with my o-scope and a RF generator.  
> The primaries in series and no primary cap.  Normally my scope 
> only loads my coils by about 0.7% By load I mean change the 
> frequency.
> 
> I imagine everything will go back to normal when I get identical 
> toriods but what's going on here?

I suspect the two coils (made dissimilar by the different toploads) 
are beating with each other and producing the odd frequencies you are 
seeing.

Malcolm