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Re: LTR Pig Project -biggg coil



Original poster: "Malcolm Watts by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <m.j.watts-at-massey.ac.nz>

Hi Kevin,

On 18 Feb 01, at 14:13, Tesla list wrote:

> Original poster: "Kevin R Eldredge by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <kreld-at-juno-dot-com>
> 
> 
> 
> All
> 
>   I just picked up on this post, and wanted to clarify several things
>  that might help out.   LTR or not?  I won't guess, it works, and I'm
>  happy.  (:D   The Biggg Coil project was a "everything new
> from the start" project.   That is, all components involved were not
> used on any other of my Coils, except for a contactor and fine tune
> inductive ballast.  This made things a lot harder to find initial
> problems, but thanks to John Freau for guiding me the right way on the
> break rate.
>   The whole project evolved around the purchase of two 0.376 uF
>  cap's which are wired in series (0.188 uF approx).
> 
>   The only math involved was for basic resonance,ie..secondary, 
> primary, capacitor parameters.  Problems were many.  Initialy the
> sync. Rotary was at 480 BPS.  This pulled 300+ amps from the 245 volt
> mains, and only 14' sparks.   Ballast adjustment made no difference. 
> Removing gap electrodes for 240 BPS operation made things better,
> current down, sparks longer, but still not right.
>  Finally running 120 BPS, current came down to 110 amps, at
> 300 volts at the pig's, 24' sparks.  This was new, 300 volts AFTER
>  the inductive ballast, 240 volts before the ballast.  I unfortunately
> did not measure the actual 245 volt current into the control cabinet,
> this Spring I will.

Your ballast is resonating with the primary cap.
 
>   As John stated, the external ballast gets real hot, smoking hot.
> However, the ballast is a 15 kVA transformer with the secondary
> shorted, so this creates most of the heat, the shorted winding.
>  This too will be addressed this Spring with a new ballast. 
>  The internal switchable  ballast, runs only warm, it's simply
>  #10 wire wound on a steel  torroid.

The smoke represents copper losses and core losses.

Regards,
malcolm
 
>   The coil has been dormant this winter, but as weather warms,
> the coil will be brought out to play again.   Simply getting things to
> work was the goal last year, this Spring will bring a new 10 x 10 x
> 16' building to keep the Coil in a ready to fire state.  Also the
> rotory will be rebuilt with on the fly phase adjustment to better tune
> while adjusting reactive ballast for maximum spark.
>  An old tube scope is being modified to accept high voltages 
> directly to the CRT's deflection plates through a resistive divider.
> This will allow more accurate P-P voltages in the Coil while
> running....hopefully anyway.  Power factor correction may also be
> tried depending on how things go.
> 
>   I'm open for suggestions on any improvements, or experiments
> if anyone has any.
> 
>   snip...
> >>  >Consider Kevin's coil.  His pig combo rating is 14.4kV at 20kVA. 
> >His 
> >>  >cap is 0.138uF or something similar.  He draws 100 amps from a
> >>  >240 volt line.  He runs at 120 bps.   I just did the calcs, and a
> >>  >matched sized cap for Kevin's coil would be 0.31uF or so, and a
> >>  >typical LTR sized cap would be about 0.6uF or so.  This is huge
> >>  >cap, and I don't recommend anything that large.  His cap seems to
> >>  >be less than 1/2 the resonant size.  (If you calc the reso-size
> >>  >based on the pig's specs.)  You may want to check my calcs here
> >>  >in case I made an error.  But if his reso-size would be 0.31uF, I
> >>  >certainly would not suggest using anything larger than 0.375uF or
> >>  >so.  Since Kevin's cap may be about 1/2 the reso-size, it's
> >>  >possible that his power factor might not be that good, but I have
> >>  >no real idea if it is or not.  It is also 
> >
> >>  >possible that Kevin's coil may work much better with a 0.375uF
> >>  >cap, if it greatly improves the power factor.  It's too bad we 
> >don't
> >>  >know what the power factor is on Kevin's coil. Then again, it is
> >>  >possible that a reso or LTR cap is NG for a big coil.  It may 
> >hurt
> >>  >the quenching too much or something, who knows.  Maybe 
> >>  >someday someone will build a big coil with LTR.
> >>  
> >>  Forgive as I think out loud about Kevin's coil...
> >>  
> >>  240 volts at 100 amps gives us 24000 watts.  We'll assume we can 
> >add power
> >>  factor caps until the PF is good and we can use all 24kVA. 
> >>  
> >>  24000 / 120BPS gives a 200 Joules per bang.  The firing voltage
> >>  for 
> >a
> >>  14.4kV transformer is 14400 x SQRT(2) = 20365 volts.  200 Joules =
> >>  
> >1/2 x C
> >>  x V^2 so the LTR cap size is 964.5nF.  Yeah!! :-))
> >>  
> >>  If his present coil is running 138nF then he would have to
> >>  increase 
> >the BPS
> >>  to match the LTR case.  120 x 964.5 / 138 = 839BPS.  However that 
> >is async!
> >>   There for he instantly has to double that to match the sync case 
> >for 1677
> >>  BPS (async gaps deliver 1/2 the power of sync gaps of the same BPS
> >>  
> >do to
> >>  firing on less than full voltage).
> >
> >You're assuming that his firing voltage will remain constant 
> >regardless
> >of the cap size.  If this were true, Kevin's coil (0.138uF) would be
> >drawing only about 3430 watts at 120 bps, (not counting losses).  Yet
> >his coil 
> >
> >draws 24kVA or so!   To me, the only explanation is that his firing
> >voltage must be much much higher than 20365 volts, due to a ballast
> >setting that gives some degree of resonant charging.  Although the
> >power factor may not be perfect, I don't think the true watts drawn
> >is only 3430 watts.  If he was using only 3430 watts now, I don't
> >think he would be getting 24 foot sparks.  So to me, this is a
> >reality check.... his caps must be firing at a much higher voltage
> >than 20365.  I believe that resonant charging must often be
> >considered when analyzing low bps pig powered coils.  Otherwise
> >things just don't add up.
> >
> >Kevin is using a combo of two ballasts, I believe, and it is possible
> >that the ballast is lossy.  I know that when I used a variac as a
> >ballast on my small coil, it doubled the input VA, for the same spark
> >length.  I think Kevin said that his ballast gets quite hot, so it
> >may be burning some power, but I have no idea how much. If we assume
> >that his ballast burns up 3000 watts, and his other wiring and xfmer
> >losses are 5% more or another 1000 watts, then he'd be supplying
> >still about 20kVA to the system.  If the power factor is only 70%,
> >then his true wattage would be about 14kW. This would mean that his
> >bang size is 117 Joules at his present 120 bps.  This is much larger
> >than the 28 Joules that is predicted if one uses 20365 volts as the
> >firing voltage.  Now if one uses 37kV for the firing voltage, then a
> >figure of 97 Joules per bang is obtained, which seems to fit his
> >situation better.  It's still not 117 Joules, but his losses may be
> >even higher than I figured, which would explain the difference.  Or I
> >may have made a mistake, and his total input VA may be 20kVA, not
> >24kVA.  If this is the case, it would drop his bang size to 97
> >Joules, which would match up with a 37kV firing voltage.  Another
> >thing that makes me think that my analysis is correct, is that it
> >agrees with Greg Leyh's results.  Greg has posted his firing
> >voltages, etc., so we kind of know the bang size vs. spark length
> >relationship.  We know for instance that 3430 watts cannot give 24
> >foot sparks at 120 bps.
> 
> 
> Freezing in Oklahoma
> 
> Kevin E.  
> >
> >
> >
> 
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