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Re: liberating pigs-Part 2
Original poster: "Christopher Boden by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <chrisboden-at-hotmail-dot-com>
>Original poster: "ebyng by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>"
>Theres just one small problem with that that I can see.....
>Ive allready got the gear to do that sort of thing... i.e
>10Kv rated line gloves
Throw them away.
1. You don't have the proper equipment to test them regularly and make sure
2. They will give you a false sense of security and make you careless.
3. 1 small pinhole...and you're toast.
I've personally had a BRAND NEW PAIR and worn them twise. I mentioned them
here on the list and got no fewer than 10 flames about them. It was one of
the best lessons I ever had. For that fact alone I probably owe this list my
life (and I'm sure quite a few others out here do as well).
The best use for those gloves is for working LV (220 and under). At those
voltages you have a GREAT safety factor. and it won't have the danger of
corona/sparking like you do with HV. A pinhole won't kill you. You SHOULD
have them tested every 6 months (every month if you use them often) and take
meticulous care of them. Your local electrical company may even test them
for free if you ask nicely.
Hotstick? define Prod....a 5-A drumstick (yeah, I play) makes a great "Prod"
>insulated snips, cutters, wrench etc
Junk, junk, junk.....
Unless it's RATED and designed SPECIFICALLY FOR HV USE (I.E. they're usually
red with BIG guards (like a hilt) and even then they're usually only rated
I have some TERRIBLY expensive tools, and I don't trust ANY of them over
440VAC, period. A healthy dose of paranoia has kept me alive for quite a
while. NEVER work ANYTHING hot, not at this level of the game. You're too
new to this (wow...did I say that?) I'm a VERY new coiler, and a newbie to
HV as well (less than 5 years), but I've gotten to the point where, by the
types of questions you're asking, I (and most others out here) can tell
where in the learning curve you are to HV work.
I don't want to discurage you, and I don't want to sound like I know
everything, because I'm a HV moron. But I've spent a few years getting
flamed, trashing gear, blowing copious amounts of cash, getting blistered,
and wasting months of work. I know a LOT of what NOT to do. I've asked a
million dumb questions (and answered quite a few). I've paid a lot of dues
in here. We all have.
The guys in here will bend over backwards to help you, it's part of the
deal. They will also FLAME YOU HARDCORE (with the emails your posting I'd
hate to see what your getting offlist by now). IT's OK, don't get
discuraged. HV is a weird hobby. With trains, if you screw up, you start
over, no biggie. With HV, the learning curve is rather severe. This is a
VERY pass/fail hobby. If it doesn't burn down, you pass, if you're alive at
the end of the day, you pass, get it?
There are a million ways to hurt yourself a LOT in this like of tinkering.
And the sad thing is, when you need the knowledge the most, is when you have
the least. None of us want to see you get hurt. All it takes is a few Tesla
deaths for them to outlaw this for all of us.
In all the years of Coiling, only 3 (i think, it's still 3 right?) people
have died. That's an impeccable record. Don't screw it up. :)
I KNOW what it's like to want the big bad pig coil. I KNOW what it's like to
be all gung-ho about a project. I do this for a living, everyday. And I'm
working on some BIG projects. But there's a lot of dues to be paid in
getting to them. I've got a dream for what will be one of the largest coils
on earth, Avalon, but it's not gonna happen for another 10 years or so. That
doesn't mean I've given up, or that I can't do it. It means that I can't do
it today, that's all. Coils take a LOT of scrounging, and the Avalon coil
will take hundreds of thousands of dollars. I know what it's like to want,
N.S.T coils may not be glamorous, but they work, and they work well. You CAN
get 6' arcs of an NST coil (BOTH of the Geek Group coils have done it,
Sparky (Mark Broker's) and Sam (Mine) are both NST powered). And an NST coil
has some MAJOR advantages to a Pig coil, mainly BALLASTING. Ballasting is a
mental kick in the sack. Just when you THINK you have this whole coiling
thing in the bag, you don't, in fact, you're a moron....this is the point
where I'm at. NST's are one of 2 types of trannies that DON'T need
ballasting (Obits being the other), everything else (PT, PIG, X-Ray, MOT)
ALL have to be ballasted. NST's are cool like that, you hook them up, and
they work (for 10 mins till they fry....lol).
Learn the basics. Tesla Coils are VERY simple machines in the beginning.
Then, as you learn, they get incredibly complex. Start simple, make a basic,
rock solid, proven working coil. Then get weird :)
Build a basic 6"X24" coil, learn to TUNE, learn to PHASE NSTs, spend an
evening with brine crusting in your arm-hair, get oil in parts of your body
you didn't know you owned. Get a few blisters (gaps get hot, lol), get
SCARED a few times with a near miss that would have killed you had you been
running a Pig system. Take you time.
>one Friggin loud voltage sensor(its good to <1.5 volts)
Yeah, but is it good at 1000V?
Remember, you're trusting you life to that toy.
>There aint no abandoned buildings/shacks etc in seattle. nothing/nada/zip.
Yes there are, lots of them. You have to look :) I lived in Kalamazoo for a
year before I found the plant. It was less than a mile from my house.
>If there were, I woulda been in and out by now.. :)
They're there....you just have to look. Contact the cities Dangerous
Buildings Board, they keep a list of abandoned buildings. I'll post an email
to the list about UET stuff and how it relates to coiling and pig hunting
later when I get back from Sigma-6. That one's gonne be 5 pages, lol.
>Now then, before I do contact the CIA, how many of these excursions have
>you been on?? :)
The Geek Group runs several Urban Exploration Teams around the world. I head
the one in Kalamazoo (that did the HV raids, with a few other members of
this list, hi guys), Aleks runs the UET in England (for you UK coilers) they
specialise in WWII Bunkers and such. We have a few otehr teams getting
organised (Malaysia, Austrailia, Kentucky, etc...) Maybe we'll start one in
Seattle, we have a half dozen members there :)
I personally have been on over 100 UE's, from Climbing, to Draining, to
"Liberating" HV gear. We seldom swipe things though. Most of it simply
involves being in places normal people don't go. We've explored the storm
drains, abandoned buildings, tunnels (Steam, and city utility), and the
mechanical rooms of most of the downtown hotels....even the top of the
planatarium (a VERY cool place to eat lunch).
Christopher A. Boden Geek#1
President / C.E.O. / Alpha Geek
The Geek Group
Because the Geek shall inherit the Earth!
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