RE: Experimental results? RE: Stop the nonsense

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Original poster: "Steve Greenfield by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <alienrelics-at-yahoo-dot-com>

Dave, despite what it may appear, I'm not saying you
are wrong. I'm asking you for details. Saying you
waved your 500V digital meter (full of diodes and
other nonlinear devices) around near a few hundred
thousand volts and consider the results meaningful
means nothing. Another brand of DMM or an analog meter
may give entirely different results as it is very
likely you are seeing unpredictable effects due to
leakage and reverse breakdown under tremendously high
voltage and high frequency.

A BW television and a computer are hardly what I would
call reliable instruments for measuring
"interference". They are specifically shielded (to
some extent) and designed so as to be resistant to
interference off-frequency.

What is the link again to your C^2 website, the one
with the link to Nasa's pictures of a supernova in
progress, as it appears from your picture?

George Lucas added the ring explosion because it looks
cool and he could. Same with the ring explosion effect
in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

I'll try and find Gary's website.

I do not think that I am required to test every
assertion that any one makes in order to question it.
I think I'm asking fair and reasonable questions such
as how you are measuring things and what evidence you
are using as proof of your conclusions.

Dave, you wouldn't happen to be the Dave Thomson that
-I- know, would you? Live in WA state, have a brother
named Steve who lives in Oregon? Used to live in
Tacoma, WA, and belong to the Amiga computer club
there?

Steve Greenfield

--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> Original poster: "David Thomson by way of Terry
> Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <dave-at-volantis-dot-org>
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> >I've never seen any evidence that radiation becomes
> donut shaped. Physical
> explosions of stars, black holes, etc. aside, as
> they are affected by their
> own magnetic fields, spin, matter distribution, etc.
> Even so, those pictures
> you had on your website of a supernova with ring
> structure look like
> framegrabs from a Sci Fi movie. Please provide links
> to a Nasa webpage.
> 
> I don't believe a flat spiral coil outputs any
> meaningful radiation in the
> classical sense.  I run these flat spiral coils at
> full power within ten
> feet of my computer while the computer is on and
> there is no interference of
> any kind.  I have a small black and white TV I use
> to monitor RF
> interference, the only thing I see resembles a pulse
> wave across the middle
> of the screen.  The flat spiral coil appears to
> generate an electrostatic
> standing wave with the two peaks over the two poles
> of the coil.  The arcing
> action appears to be caused from longitudinal waves
> interacting with the
> electrostatic charge.  I haven't heard any
> complaints at all from the
> neighbors.
> 
> The link for the NASA site where the photo came from
> is right under the
> photo.  Just click on it to see the full NASA
> article.
> 
> Believe it or not, the original Star Wars movie
> showed the planet Alderon
> being blown apart in a spherical radiated explosion.
>  But in the remake,
> they replaced it with a longitudinal explosion. 
> They did this, according to
> news accounts, because NASA has since experimented
> with explosions in space
> and determined that space explosions are
> longitudinal, not spherical.  Once
> again, c^2 is in line with developing modern
> physics.
> 
> >What did you use to measure these things that
> you've "ascertained"?
> 
> I don't have a half million volt electrometer, so I
> have to rely on what
> little information I can glean from a 500 V
> voltmeter.  The signal to the
> voltmeter was well beyond range, but it did affect
> the voltmeter as a DC
> charge.  There was nothing in this observation I
> could take a picture of.
> 
> >You seem to have a very loose definition of
> "second", appearing to mean the
> first half cycle (ie, 180 degrees) of a sine wave
> when you say "during the
> first second".
> 
> In my trigonometry book, a cycle is 360 degrees.  So
> when the voltage starts
> at the positive peak, goes through the zero point,
> reaches the negative
> peak, returns to the zero peak, and finishes at a
> new positive peak, the
> signal has gone 360 degrees.
> 
> >Then there is your use of the word "moment". What
> do you mean? What slice
> of time is that?
> 
> c^2 describes a basic pulse.  The basic formula
> assumes one cycle per
> second.
> 
> >Dave, you are not actually offering any evidence,
> just conclusions, then
> dismissing those who are not true believers.
> 
> I'm not dismissing anything.  I'm adding to the base
> of knowledge.  c^2 in
> no way offends RF physics.  It describes a physics
> not seen by RF.  Just
> because a new formula shows an additional knowledge
> relating to energy does
> not mean previous knowledge is useless.  It does
> clarify a few previous
> misconceptions, but it doesn't totally replace the
> previous base of
> knowledge.  And I'm not presenting a completely
> thought out theory.  I'm
> presenting, for those interested, the beginning of a
> new theory.  I need
> help in developing c^2, that is why I'm sharing my
> ideas.  It's not going to
> hurt my feelings if what I'm seeing is a mere
> illusion.  But what I'm seeing
> goes beyond illusion and is reflected in real life
> situations.  If you are
> not comfortable with this theory, there is no reason
> you can't just explain
> to me in your own understanding what is happening in
> these coils.  I am
> interested in any information that describes the
> workings of a flat spiral
> secondary.
> 
> >Y'know, I just -knew- when this started that
> eventually you would demand
> that -we- prove your theory for you.
> 
> Excuse me?!  I thought this was a Tesla coil list? 
> Don't you guys already
> have a flat spiral coil in your basement?  Tesla
> didn't waste his career on
> toy solenoid coils.  Sure, they're easy to build and
> useful for some
> experiments in Colorado Springs, but Tesla coils
> proper ARE flat spiral and
> conical coils.  You mean you don't know the
> measurements of a true Tesla
> coil and how it works?
> 
> >Despite your reply to me stating that you aren't
> claiming that this flat
> coil is 3 phase, and your statement on your new list
> that it made no
> difference if you used one or all three windings,
> you continue to call it a
> "wye coil".
> 
> Do you have difficulty understanding that a coil can
> be built for use with 3
> phase alternating currents but then be put into use
> with single phase,
> simply because I choose to do so?  Just because I
> use a coil designed for
> three phase doesn't mean I expect to put single
> phase into the coil and get
> three phase out.  The name "wye" coil refers to the
> schematic diagram for
> this coil.  It is, in fact, a wye coil.  I'm
> currently building a motor
> driven, modified automobile alternator power source
> to do the actual three
> phase experiments with.  I don't know what will
> happen, as I am not aware of
> any literature describing this type of experiment. 
> But in the meantime, I
> needed another flat spiral coil because I shocked my
> other 13" single wound
> coil pretty bad and reduced the output.  The results
> of inputting single
> phase into the wye coil were a complete surprise to
> me, but there was no
> three phase output, nor did I claim there was or
> would be for single phase
> input.
> 
> >Peer review, my man, and reproducible results.
> Extraordinary claims require
> extraordinary evidence.
> 
> OK, what were your results when you duplicated the
> experiment?  Did you get
> different results than what I reported?
> 
> >This doughnut (toroid) thing... you wouldn't happen
> to know a guy named
> Gary in Washington state, would you?
> 
> Never heard of him.  Do you have a link to his
> website?  Maybe he's on to
> something similar?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 


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