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Re: Cyclotron effect
Original poster: "Bert Hickman by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <bert.hickman-at-aquila-dot-net>
You may be onto something. I have had streamers come within a foot of my
face on occasion from my disruptive coil - under these conditions, there
was a definite sensation of air flow coming from the streamer tips.
But why would spiral vortices seem to be only associated with pulsed
VTTC and Solid State systems? Maybe a because we get a hot,
longer-lived, discharge from follow through power once we achieve
breakout and it's this combination??
However, I don't remember ever seeing this happening on a true DC
powered CW coil... very curious!
-- Bert --
Coins Shrunk Electromagnetically!
Tesla list wrote:
> Original poster: "Lau, Gary by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
> IMHO, the mechanisms under discussion for the observed spiral streamers may
> be making this way more complex than what is likely.
> Consider the classic ion motor - an S-shaped wire atop the top load that
> produces airflow, hence thrust, from the point of discharge. Any detached
> streamers will also generate such airflow. The streamer is quite likely to
> be affected and moved by such airflow. In most cases such movement will be
> random and chaotic, and the thrust produced will also be chaotic.
> Occasionally we have seen stable, vertical streamers, and the thrust would
> be unidirectional. Aerodynamic vortices are produced in the wake of planes
> and cars. I would be surprised if a similar effect does not occur as a
> result of ionic thrust, and such vortices could displace streamers into the
> observed shapes.
> Gary Lau
> MA, USA
> Original poster: "Paul Nicholson by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <paul-at-abelian.demon.co.uk>
> If a beam of charged particles was launched upwards from the center
> of the toroid, they would continue straight up, unaffected by
> the B field (since beam v x B is zero).
> But at any angle from the vertical they would form themselves into
> a spiral (ish) path since v x B is now generally non-zero. If they
> emerged horizontally from the toroid, they would curve either
> upwards or downwards depending on the sign of their charge and the
> B field polarity (assuming here that E is roughly radial from the
> Could this cyclotron mechanism also affect the path over which a
> streamer forms? Do the electrons in the leaders see a sufficient
> v x B force to make a noticeable difference to their path?
> Can this account for the observed spiral discharges?