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Re: Energy storage in primary?



Original poster: "jimmy hynes by way of Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>" <chunkyboy86-at-yahoo-dot-com>


Like the OLTC, my double resonance design, and probably all tesla coils 
using IGBTs for quick rise times, this design likes low frequency. The 
bigger the inductor, the less current it will have to push, and the more 
capacitance the lower voltage it will have to withstand.

By filling in the inductance needed for resonance at 10khz, I get around 
150uh. At three amps, the energy works out to be about .000625 joules. 
.000625 joules is about 900v on the cap, which is pretty close to the 
1000-1500 volts it says on the website, and can be done with a 1200 volt 
igbt. with such a low frequency this seems easy, while at normal 
frequencies it would be much tougher. I designed my drsstc to be big, so it 
would have a low resonant frequency. maybe I should have used a GMHEICSLR 
coil. too late now, and this way I get big arcs :-). sounds like a neat 
project!

the quenching shouldn't be as important as in a spark gap system because 
there is no high loss gap in the loop, there aren't even any igbts.

unlike in h-bridges, where all the igbts have to turn on and off at the 
same time, there is a little time before the voltage builds up, so the turn 
off time doesnt have to be exactly the same as the other IGBTs in series

  Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
Original poster: "Terry Fritz"

Hi Malcolm,

Yes!!! A car ignition coil may be the perfect coil for this.

One would have to use say a GM HEI coil with the core cut away to get a
"true" loosely coupled Tesla coil. Then an electrode could be added and a
suitable cap found for the primary that would tune the system.

Unlike the GMHEICSLR thing, current would be the main driver. So the gap
would be replaced with say an IGBT and a current source (only a few amps
now, a plain battery...) would drive the system.

I worry a little about the voltage kickback, but were only starting with a
few amps so maybe it would not be too high for say a 1200V IGBT. I would
think such a system could easily get to Jolyon's 6 inch
requirement. 10kHz, 3 amps, ??? inductance, 1.7uF capacitance...

http://www.powerlabs-dot-org/gmheics! lr.htm

Cheers,

Terry


At 08:24 AM 1/29/2003 +1300, you wrote:
 >Hi Jolyon,
 >
 >On 28 Jan 2003, at 8:01, Tesla list wrote:
 >
 > > Original poster: "Jolyon Vater Cox by way of Terry Fritz
 > "
 > >
 > > Is it possible to build a TC where energy is stored initially as high
 > > current in an inductor (the primary) rather than high voltage in a
 > capacitor?
 > > I am thinking of a setup where current ramps up slowly through the
 > inductor
 > > before being abruptly switched off (by semiconductor switch or similar)
 > > after a predetermined current or period of time has been exceeded; the
 > > current in the primary rising and falling as "saw-tooth" waveform.
 >
 >Exactly how a car ignition coil works.
 >
 > > As primary input power for this would be largely determined be cu! rrent
 > > rather than the voltage of the PSU
 > &!
gt; how high would the current have to be/ how low could the voltage be for
 > > decent spark output say, a minimum of 6 inches or more?
 > >
 > > For the control logic would this likely need an exotic switch-mode power
 > > supply IC with PWM and dead-time control or could a simple astable like a
 > > 555 do the job?
 > >
 > > For the high-current, high-speed switch would bipolar transistors
 > (e.g.. TV
 > > line-output power devices) or MOSFETS be suitable or would IGBTs be
 > necessary?
 > >
 > > Would it not be necessary to connect a capacitor across the switch to
 > > absorb/slow down the high-voltage transient produced when the switch
 > opens/
 > > would necessary voltage rating of switch and capacitor be comparable to
 > > that of the primary capacitor in a conventional spark-gap TC?
 >
 >Again, exactly what is done in a "conventional" ! car ignition system.
 >
 >Regards,
 >Malcolm



Jimmy