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Re: Limit on coil size



Original poster: "Zoran Tukovic" <zoran.tukovic1@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi GL, hi All

I have some questions about TC calculations.

1.) How we can mathematically calculate impulse power of the coil ?
2.) Is it impulse power the same thing as circulating power ?

Thanx,
Tuky



----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: Limit on coil size


Original poster: Greg Leyh <lod@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Dave,

Alberta Chu has copies of Electrum available at http://www.asklabs.com/electrum

The physical size limit I mentioned in the talk applies specifically to coils designed for generating long arcs. If your goal is to simply generate higher voltages without breakout, the coil should just continue to scale.

This practical limit revolves around two key features of impulse-driven coils:

A) Impulse coils take advantage of ion lifetimes to maintain the arc channel integrity, until they can recharge and restrike the arc.

B) Impulse coils multiply the input power dramatically, often by factors of 100's to 1000's, greatly increasing their ability to strike long arc channels over CW machines. The impulse coil is analogous to a hammer, compared to a press.

When increasing the size of a coil, the problem arises in trying to maintain both conditions A and B, listed above. If we set a minimum acceptable value for the power gain, then our duty cycle has a maximum limit. And if the coupling is already fixed at an optimal value, then the envelope represents a fixed number of RF cycles.

Here is where ion lifetimes come into play. Effective ion lifetimes for coil arc channels seem to range from about 3 to 12 msec. Many coilers observe that break rates around 80-150Hz (7 to 12msec) seem to yield best arc-length efficiency. Now as the resonant freq (Fo) of the coil decreases, the envelope length gets longer in time, therefore the break period must also increase to maintain a low duty cycle. At some Fo the break period must increase to the point (>12msec) where the dead-time between firings allows the ion channel to begin dissipating.

The result is that at some critical size, either feature A or B has to be compromised, which would diminish the arc production efficiency of the machine. Beyond this point the coil will operate in a quasi-CW, then finally a CW mode of operation.

-GL


Original poster: Dave Leddon <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>

I attended a most inspiring talk given by Greg Leyh last night in San Francisco in which he showed a documentary video detailing the construction of his Electrum coil (I sure would like to have a copy of that, Greg) followed by a discussion of his plans to construct a lightning laboratory in Nevada. He mentioned that there is a physical limit to the size of a Tesla coil beyond which it cannot produce an arc due to the frequency being too low to sustain a continuous stream of ions. I believe he said that an ion would extinguish before the next one could be generated. Does anyone have an idea how to determine this minimum frequency?

Dave
Pleasanton, Ca