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RE: [TCML] party cup capacitors



Could you put foil on a cup but leave out the tab that connects the cups in parallel on every other cup, effectively creating series pairs in parallel and thereby double the breakdown voltage?

Dave

At 03:47 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote:

Would stackable cups/plates of a good dielectric strength work better? Such as thicker plastic, or those styrofoam coffee cups, or even glass cups? I remember someone posted a while back about a coil made decades ago, where the cap was tin foil glued to either side of a window pane .. and it worked. Though I have burned through glass with a raw 15/30 NST at full power ...

... hmmm i just noticed the famed 942C20P15K cap for $5 each (and price breaks as you get more) here
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/CORNELL-DUBILIER/942C20P15K-F/

I did some googling and did not see $3 price range caps like that .. whereabouts is a good online store with a better price for a cap that's around that good, that would hold up to the merciless trials a coil puts its caps through?

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Brian Hall





> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:29:41 -0400
> From: phalenor@xxxxxxxxx
> To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [TCML] party cup capacitors
>
> On 2010-11-02 at 08:25, Brandon Garretson ( garretsontech@xxxxxxxxx ) said:
> > This idea has been around for a decade and this is the first Im hearing of it?
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/cupcap.htm
> >
> > I must have gone through about 90% of the archives on this forum over
> > the past two years and I have never had the urge to try to build a
> > homemade cap until now.
> >
> > Has anyone proven that these arent worth the effort?
>
> They aren't worth the effort. Been there, done that, spilled lots of oil
> ;)
>
> I think for a party cup capacitor housed in a 4"x12" piece of PVC pipe,
> filled with vegetable oil, with about 20 'plates', it weighed maybe 10lbs,
> gave maybe 1-2nf of capacitance, and could barely hold up to a 12kV NST.
>
> Until you build enough of these to put in series-parallel to get the
> desired voltage and capacitance, you'll have some massive oily mess.
>
> And the second one of the caps punctures, you get to tear the whole thing
> apart.
>
> When I made mine, I used aluminum foil tape, and the cheapest red party
> cups I could find. I suppose if you were using low enough voltages, this
> type of cap might be acceptable if you're really on a budget. Might even
> get away without the oil, though the corona will eventually break down the
> plastic. Might also experiment with plastic party plates as well and make
> a 'plate cap', though the one I made lasted all of 5 seconds...
>
> Just for documentation purposes, here's a picture of the first cup cap I
> made, using a clear plastic container. Lasted one night of experimenting
> with a 12kV 30mA NST, http://kb3ewy.com:8000/old/images/cupcap.jpg
>
> Save yourself the time and money and buy some MMC type capacitors. I think
> they're still about $3 a cap these days...
>
> --andy
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