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Re: [TCML] Arc intensity variations



I have worked my whole life in high voltage and pulse power and made several TCs. Therefore, I am highly qualified to dispense wisdom in such matters as this. I've seen this phenomenon many times, with TCs and with Marx generators. Beginning of wisdom ---> I have no idea. <--- end of wisdom. The brightness of an arc is proportional to the current and to the gas pressure, which are both pretty constant along an arc. I just looked at a whole bunch of TC arcs that terminate in the air, and did not see any of these bright sections. I think they only appear in arcs to ground or some other low impedance point. The bright sections are usually more or less in the middle of the arc channels.

It might be enlightening to take a pix of this phenomenon with a plastic diffraction grating. You could get an idea of the temperature of the bright and dim regions from the relative brightness of different lines and from the relative brightness of the lines vs the continuum. If you photographed the arc in front of a black background such as flock paper, maybe you would see dim discharges paralleling the dim section.

Another interesting question is, why are the transitions between the dim and bright channel sections so abrupt? That's weird. Could it be some kind of glow-arc transition? There must be some real physics here. I think this is something worth investigation by the TC community. Let the experiments be made.

---Carl

Reporter: "Mr. Roentgen, what did you think when you saw these mysterious images?"
Roentgen:  "I did not think, I investigated."




On 5/19/2015 5:14 AM, Jim Lux wrote:
On 5/19/15 3:09 AM, b alex pettit jr via Tesla wrote:
Hi All,
I have a low powered TC that can produce arcs in the 2" to 8" range,secondary resonant freq 190 KHz. On any power setting, if I use a conductive rod to attract arcs ( sparks ) and space itto get individual, non branching arcs, there is surprisingly a consistent, repetitive pattern of brighter and darker ( fatter and thinner ) areas along its length.. Such as -------=========----------===---------------------------------------- Anyone have any ideas why this may be so ? I would have expected consistency,but there are arc segments with a brightness maybe 5 times the other portions.
What is the propagation velocity of an arc in air ?
This has been confirmed by others so it is not related to my 'visual acuity'.


What you see as a single spark is actually a lot of sparks following mostly the same paths. Not only is there a spark moving for each half cycle of the RF (way faster than you can see), but there's also multiple spark groups corresponding to the AC line voltage peaks.

When the sparks happen to align (or not) changes the apparent brightness.

If you see a picture of a TC operating in a small movement of air, sometimes you see the different sparks (for AC line voltage cycles) spread out in parallel.


the other thing affecting apparent brightness is whether the spark is traveling exactly normal to the line of sight, or more aligned with it. This is really obvious when you are looking at a spark coming towards you: the spark segments that are exactly parallel to your line of sight look like really bright dots. Most people who have been in a "cage of death" faraday cage kind of situation have commented on this. I've tried to take a picture of it, but not been very successful: I think it's partly due to how the human visual system works in real time.

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