[TCML] comment about new coilers

[bartb]

Hi All,

One could come to the conclusion Frank came to on Miles posting due to 
the wording. But I've talked with Miles on several occasions and enough 
to know this was not his intention. He is simply saying that the best 
way to learn is experience. Any type of help will of course get in the 
way of that experience to some degree, but then that is always up to the 
individual and is probably just a sign of the times due to the 
communication between humans available today. This is all Miles was 
attempting to get across (and he's right). This situation is a reality 
these days, and it's a worthwhile discussion that deserves it's own 
subject line (hint ;-) ).

Take care,
Bart

Frank wrote:
> From what I could see Scott did everything right except for the type 
> of transformer and parallel/ series wording wrong.
> When he hit a roadblock, he asked for help!
>
> Miles, I read your comments to mean we should all waste money and 
> screw up, that is the only way to learn.
> That is a great attitude to stop coilers and prevent accidents!
> Yes, experience is a great teacher, but the purpose of teaching is to 
> help folks learn from your mistakes so they do not make costly or 
> perhaps even fatal ones.
>
> By your reasoning, we should give  beginners a can of gasoline, a dead 
> NST and tell them to un-pot it! After they burn themselves or blow up 
> a space, then we will tell them what they did wrong!
>
> Reading a post like yours makes folks think they have to buy the wrong 
> components, burn things out or wind things wrong and after they do 
> that, then we will help!
>
> Kind of narrow minded is not it?
>
> Frank
>
> At 01:40 PM 2/16/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>> I had this kind of problem a lot with new coilers on e-bay. They thought
>> they were so smart to buy solid state neon sign drivers instead of
>> usable non GFI NSTs. Somehow, as a community, we are making this too
>> easy. New coilers especially those who do not listen, will make mistakes
>> just like everyone else. Let them mess things up for awhile, and
>> *learn*, just like the rest of us do. Isn't teaching science important
>> anymore?
>>
>> Miles
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tesla-bounces at pupman.com [mailto:tesla-bounces at pupman.com] On
>> Behalf Of G Hunter
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:17 AM
>> To: Tesla Coil Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [TCML] Tesla Coil Problem: Capacitors?
>>
>>
>> --- Scott <doxiescott at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey there Telsa List!
>> > I have been working on my first coil for about 4
>> > months now and I'm almost
>> > sure it's one issue away from sparks....
>> > My problem is a little tricky, so I'm gonna be as
>> > detailed as possible here
>> > (sorry for the massive post).
>> >
>> > First off:
>> > The coil is built around a 10kv 30ma neon sign
>> > transformer with stupid evil
>> > GFP: Here's the description from the maker:
>> >
>> http://www.jcmimports-prostore.net/servlet/Detail?no=2
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot guys, now let's get this working!
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>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> That isn't a neon sign transformer.  It looks like a
>> solid-state neon power supply.  If I'm correct, it
>> will not fire a spark gap, nor will it sustain an arc.
>>  It won't charge up your MMC.  All it can do is light
>> a neon sign.
>>
>> Until you fix that, further troubleshooting is moot.
>>
>> You need a genuine, heavy, bulky, iron-core neon
>> transformer, preferably without ground fault circuit
>> interrupter.  I'm partial to "Transco" outdoor-style
>> NSTs, but any brand will do for starters.
>>
>> Check e-bay.  No shortage of used 30mA units there.
>> The shipping is murder though.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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