From: Bill the arcstarter [SMTP:arcstarter-at-hotmail-dot-com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 3:47 PM
To: jimlux-at-earthlink-dot-net; tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
Subject: Re: Skin effect
It was written:
>> The problem is that this alone doesn't give correct results for long
coils. I have
>> a secondary coil, made with rather thin wire, where I get
>> (Rdc measured, Rac calculated) at the resonance frequency.
>> the coil characteristics by several methods give a consistent result
>> Rac~=1000 Ohms at the resonance.
>> I know that the formula is imprecise at this condition, and that the
>> of other wires in a closewound coil increases Rac by a good factor,
>> dielectric losses in the PVC form add some resistance too, and that
>> radiation resistance. But I don't know yet how to take these effect
Who wrote this? I missed the start of this thread... Sounds like fun!
I do know that, for a series lumped RLC - where you are viewing the
impedence across the terminals of the lumped cap - it can be shown that,
at resonance (note 1), the net system impedence is equal to Z0 = L/RC,
where R,L,C are the lumped values, and Z0 is the system impedence across
I'm curious if perhaps the measurement of Rac is being confused with the
measurement of Z0 = L/RC. This resonant circuit will transform the
actual "lumped" ac resistance by the L/((Rac)C) operation.
(NOTE 1) Notice that, for the above discussion, "resonance" is defined
as the frequency at which the net impedence is purely resistive. This
is NOT the same as the frequency which yields the peak voltage (although
it is close). This frequency, expressed in rad/sec is W0 = sqrt(
(L-R^2*C)/(L^2*C) ). Note that if R ==0 then this is equivalent to the
classic W=sqrt(1/LC), etc.
I'm working on a derivation for W1 and Z1 such that output voltage is
peaked, which is more to the needs of us coilers... Anyone want to
maximize a ratio of a 6th and a 4th order polynomials?! Where's a
freshmen when you need one??? :)
I can provide the derivations for all this, if needs be. Comments
-Bill the arcstarter
Starting arcs in Cinci, OH