RE: Chaotic Resonance(Solid State Coilers)

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Original poster: "Terry Fritz" <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>

Hi John and Ken,

I think such confusion is what led to the wide use of "RMS power" where
such ambiguities tend to fall away leaving only the real power numbers
people can use.  Unfortunately, measuring true RMS power, especially at
high frequencies on messy signals, is difficult to do without spending a
few thousand bucks or getting lucky at the ham feasts.  However, MicroSim
and such programs can do the RMS calculations with very good accuracy and I
use them in MMC work all the time.  An example is the primary current that
has maybe a 1000 amp peak and some astronomical instantaneous power but
only a 15 amp RMS current level.  Difficult to measure but easy to
calculate with computer tools.

Cheers,

	Terry


At 07:58 PM 1/6/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>That is correct. The input power of 3 KW was a continuous average and the
>output power of 1700 KW was instantaneous. The instantaneous conditions
>throws everybody for a loop but usually means the power is for a time peroid
>of less than one second. In this case it would be for an effective 1/566
>second which also took an efficiency into consideration. The two powers are
>not the same amount (3 vs 1700) but both refer to electric power. Confusing
>power and energy is how some people come up with over unit energy devices.
>
>I did not say "generate more electricity" which would mean more electric
>energy. I was referring to electric power not electric energy. Electric
>power is like a force. Electric energy is like work. A force is required to
>do work. Power is required to generate electricity or electric energy.
>
>It should be noted that a Tesla coil produces electric power in a different
>manner compared to an induction coil, flyback transformer, IF transformer,
>etc, etc. Comments from coilers will be appreciated.
>
>John Couture
>
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>Subject: Re: Chaotic Resonance(Solid State Coilers)
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>Original poster: "Kennan C Herrick by way of Terry Fritz
><twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <kcha1-at-juno-dot-com>
>
>Yes, of course...energy.  But when someone says, "[T]hat circuit will
>generate more
>electricity than it uses by far.", that's when I start to resist
>believing.  When you say, below, that someone got 1700 KW out from 3 KW
>in, I think, perhaps, you are saying that they produced oranges from
>apples.  The "power" in, very likely, was >average< while the "power" out
>was >instantaneous<--or, at least, it occurred over a relatively short
>time.  The two "powers" are not the same thing.
>
>Ken Herrick
>
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