Original poster: "Robert Hanford" <pomnept@comcast.net> Gecko, Try local neon shops.15k are harder to find than 9k or even 12k.Used are much cheaper! There are also lots of articles on the internet about bringing junk (not working ones) back to life. Also unpotting methods. Messy but rewarding %^D "Just Neon" will ship them to you. These are new, but reasonably priced. Find them on the internet.