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Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)



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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:36:33 +0000
From: david baehr <dfb25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)


as far as belts goes, what type do you use ? . I tested  a black vacume
belt with the output of a 15k neon  and it would arc/track through the
belt ?   

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      From:  "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      To:  tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
      Subject:  Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      Date:  Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:25:34 -0600 (MDT)
      >
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      >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:18:35 -0500
      >From: resonance <resonance@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      >To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      >Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      >
      >
      >Sometimes in the past we have used these 10,000 rpm
      motors.  For cooling,
      >they like to be run at full speed.  We just used pillow
      blocks and a belt
      >drive and pulleys to get the reduction down to 3,000 RPM.
      >
      >
      >
      >Dr. Resonance
      >
      >
      >Resonance Research Corp.
      >www.resonanceresearch.com
      >
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      >To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:59 PM
      >Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      >
      >
      > >
      > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:57:44 +0000
      > > From: David Rieben <drieben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      > > To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      > > Cc: drieben@xxxxxxxxxxx
      > > Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      > >
      > > Hi Chris,
      > >
      > > Most asynch rotary gap coilers get excellent results with
      300 to 500
      > > BPS. With a disc with 8 flying electrodes, 3600 RPMs
      would yield
      > > 480 BPS. I have seen some ARSGs that are set up with
      10,000 RPM
      > > universal drive motors but their input voltage is almost
      always "toned
      > > down" with a variac and most seldom run their RSG at the
      full rated
      > > 10,000 RPMs. My ARSG on my Green Monster coil only goes
      up
      > > to 3500 RPMs with a treadmill motor and 8 flying
      electrodes and that
      > > is plenty fast as I usually get the best results wiht the
      speed control
      > > variac set around 75 to 80 on the 0 -100 dial. Of course,
      with a
      > > SRSG, you want a break rate that's a direct multiple of
      the 60 hz
      > > (50 hz for those coilers across the big pond) of the
      mains power supply
      > > (usually 120 or 240 BPS for 60 hz , 100 or 200 BPS for 50
      hz).
      > >
      > > If the BPS get's too high, the transformer dosen't have
      enough time
      > > to fully charge the primary capacitor between each bang
      and therefore
      > > each bang will fire at a reduced voltage. I'm sure others
      can explain the
      > > theory better but there's a point where the reduced
      capacitor discharge
      > > voltage is no longer able to keep extending the ionized
      path and from
      > > that point on, the sparks will get shorter, not longer,
      with additional
      > > in-
      > > crease in the BPS.
      > >
      > > Also, the centrifugal and vibrational forces on the
      rotary disc will
      > > increase
      > > as the square of the RPMs, so running relatively high
      RPMs (>5000) on any
      > > homemade disc, other than a very precision made,
      professionally  machined
      > > one, can be quite dangerous.
      > >
      > >
      > > David Rieben
      > >
      > > -------------- Original message --------------
      > > From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
      > >
      > >>
      > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > >> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:39:45 -0500
      > >> From: Crispy
      > >> To: Tesla list
      > >> Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      > >>
      > >> What is "too fast" for an ARSG? Is it just power
      consumption, or is
      > >> there another issue? I may be wrong, but it seems to be
      that the faster
      > >> the speed on the ARSG, the more frequent bangs, and the
      better old
      > >> ionized trails help new sparks extend to new lengths by
      being allowed
      > >> less time to dissipate.
      > >>
      > >> Chris
      > >>
      > >> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 06:42 -0600, Tesla list wrote:
      > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > >> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:11:19 +0930
      > >> > From: The Engine Centre
      > >> > To: Tesla list
      > >> > Subject: Re: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      > >> >
      > >> > A washing machine, spin motor or a main motor, most
      are universal brush
      > >> > motors,they are easy to get and cheap, i have one
      which runs 13000 no
      > >> > load,
      > >> > which is far too fast BUT with a small variac you can
      control the speed
      > >> > to
      > >> > what ever you want.
      > >> > Paul,--- Original Message -----
      > >> > From: "Tesla list"
      > >> > To:
      > >> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:34 PM
      > >> > Subject: ARSG Motors (fwd)
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> > >
      > >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:51:14 -0500
      > >> > > From: Crispy
      > >> > > To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
      > >> > > Subject: ARSG Motors
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Hello,
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Can anyone suggest reasonably fast (10000rpm+) and
      cheap motors for
      > >> > > building a propeller-type ARSG? I found some very
      cheap angle
      > >> > > grinders
      > >> > > ($5 a piece, $15 shipping, 11000rpm) on ebay, but
      they use 600W,
      > >> > > which
      > >> > > is more than I can support. The motor doesn't have
      to be that cheap
      > >> > > either. The imposed total limit is 800W, and the
      power supply will be
      > >> > > a
      > >> > > 12/30 NST (360W). Thanks a lot.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Chris
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
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