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Re: [TCML] Sphere Topload Coil



Hi Peter,

Something else regarding your note of where sparks issue. We have in the past discussed on the TCML "field control". Much of field control is based on the top load size and it's distance to ground and/or surroundings (given the situation). If a sphere is large enough, field control is certainly possible just like a toroid. Unfortunately, it usually takes a very large sphere to accomplish that task and also takes a very high sphere voltage for breakout. It's difficult with a sphere, no doubt about that. If you do get breakout, the sphere is usually small in size which adds little secondary capacitive shielding to the top of the secondary. Often, sparks can issue from the top of the secondary rather than the terminal. But, coils can be built to use sphere's as intended. It's far more difficult than toroid geometry (which to me is the ideal shape for spark production on a helical coil in most hobby applications).

Take care,
Bart

bartb wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but I'm simply looking for those big sphere top terminals (not necessarily if their good or bad). And I should add, the coil I saw with a big sphere might surprise you (really surprise you)! I've run a 20" sphere myself in the past. But it's been so long, I'd really like to get some data from people that actually stuck with it. I didn't. I simply ran it, had fun, and that's about it. I remember it taking my larger 13" coil to get breakout. My smaller coils just couldn't without a help, and even that was hard pressed.

I also am fond of the toroid configuration for geometric and surface field reasons. But due to the coil I'm looking at (a huge sphere), my concerns are valid and I'm contemplating a multi-sphere configuration versus a single sphere (something similar to Terry's Piranha Coil).

Take care,
Bart

Peter Terren wrote:
A big sphere is a poor termination for a TC. I never use it. The simple reason is that the high breakout voltage mean that sparks will come from the sharpest curvature ie at the junction of the coil and sphere or from the coil itself down to the primary. You will not see a sphere performing with sparks 2 or more times the length of the secondary because of this UNLESS it has a breakout point but then you are defeating the purpose of a sphere. If you want to have the lowest chance or primary strikes then a large toroid on a smaller one is the most practical and allowed me to get 3 times secondary length with a SGTC.

Peter
www.tesladownunder.com

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Hi Everyone,

Sometime back (quite a while I guess), I remember photo's of a pretty good sized coil with a large sphere top terminal (I'm thinking about 20" diameter). For some reason, Gary Lau comes to mind but I'm not sure. I'm curious of big sphere's and the system that drove them. I'm looking at breakout voltage as based on surface field strength and it would be nice to know a little something on the basic specs of those coils.

So if anyone meeting those specs isn't too busy with life, please post some specs. I don't need the whole gap scene or anything of that nature. Just the basic secondary, top load, cap, and power supply data. Also, was a breakout point required or not would be nice to know.

Reason: I'm advising someone regarding a rather large coil with a very large sphere. From my calculations, the sphere I think is too big for breakout on it's own. Calc's are one thing and those of you well experienced with sphere's may help fill the gap of uncertainty.

Thanks,
Bart
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