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Re: [TCML] Stacking vs Large Diameter



Hi Phillip,

(Wow, someone who knows first hand the woe's of JavaScript coding! Cool!).

The extra toroid (2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. top load object) does take more time to run, but for me only a little. Not only does your PC speed effect the time of a run, but also the browser used. I run the default coil in 12.9 seconds. If I install a second toroid of the same size 14 inches above the 1st, then 16.6 seconds. Your 300 seconds is really strange! My browser is Firefox. It's actually a little faster than IE. The newer IE7 (1 toroid ran in 14 seconds, 2 toroids ran in 20.4 seconds). The older browser IE6 is about the same. However, some browsers like Netscape 6 and 7 are almost twice as slow. The only difference is the browser [how objects are passed to and fro].

Take care,
Bart

Phillip Slawinski wrote:
Bart,

Thanks for that.  I had been playing around in JavaTC as well.  It did cross
my mind to compare stacking the toroids one on top of the other, and then
with some separation, but I never got around to it.  The laptop I run it on
is a piece of garbage.

One thing I should note is that when I was running calculations when I had
my 23x7 and 21x6 stacked on top of each other the calculations took an
excruciatingly long time.  Granted, my laptop is a piece of garbage, but
we're talking about 20 times as long as opposed to a single toroid.  [300sec
vs 18]

By the way, thanks for writing this tool.  I too code in JavaScript and I
know what a humongous pain it is to get it to work correctly in several
browsers.  What you've done with JavaTC is no small feat.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM, bartb <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I believe Ed Sonderman put the cylinder between the toroids to add a little
contribution to capacitance. However, I've never looked at that aspect since
Javatc had the capability to decipher it. Ok, well, I took a whole 30
seconds of my life and looked at it.

I used the default coil in Javatc (default toroid dimensions are 6.25" x
21").
Ctoroid = 23.286pF

I then inserted a second toroid 14 inches above the original (same toroid
geometry): A dual stack with 14" separation center to center.
Ctoroid = 34.397 pF

I then inserted a cylinder with a diameter equal to the outer radius of the
toroids with top and bottom cylinder ends at each toroids center line.
Ctoroid = 36.072 pF ( Yipes! Not a big change, is it?).

Well, capacitive contribution of the cylinder is minimal. I doubt it made a
big difference after that analysis. The coil probably would have done just
as well with out it.
For what it's worth, lets look at the top toroid simply sitting on the
bottom of the first toroid:
Ctoroid = 29.183pF (big difference from the 34.397 pF due to the 14"
separation).

Clearly, the toroid at 14" above hit nearly 34.5pF. Ok, good for identical
toroids stacked with a decent distance apart.
Let us look at  a single "larger" toroid, and I'll only increase it by 25%
in both minor and major diameters (7.8125" x 26.25").
Ctoroid = 31.051 pF (Nice increase for only a single toroid).

Now, I increase the original by only 50% (9.375" x 31.5"): Oh yea, that
toroid rocks!
Ctoroid = 39.325 pF

Certainly beat out the dual stack. Only 50% increase with a single toroid
and I've certainly beaten the dual stack even at 14" separation! So, why the
need for dual, triple, etc.? No real need, more convenience and mechanical
in nature. If you have them on hand, use them. If you just happen to have a
nice 10" x 32" toroid lying around, then use it!

Take care,
Bart





Phillip Slawinski wrote:

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:56 PM, bartb <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Looks perfectly acceptable to me! I like the distance you have between
toroids. Ed Sonderman did similar except to have put a sheet metal type
cylinder between the two toroids.


Was this for support, or otherwise?




He did get some long sparks on this dual-stack toroid.






Your base looks really nice also. I like those red colored standoffs!



Thanks, it's taken a lot of work to get my coil where it is now.  I've
only
been building coils since the beginning of May, I think I've made a lot of
progress in the short time.  I scored the standoffs for free!




Take care,
Bart



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