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Re: [TCML] JAVATC - Question
bartb wrote:
Hi Jim,
Yes, a hyperbaric gap would have greater pressure and this will change 
breakdown to some degree. As I understand the gap in question, it's not 
hyperbaric. If it were a hyperbaric gap, then you would certainly want 
to have the air flowing or at least the chamber pressurized equivalently 
(assuming we knew a decent ball park pressure for a typical hyperbaric 
gap).
One of the main points that Paschen showed was a curve identifying 
breakdown voltage with gap distance or pressure. It's a curve because of 
the molecular density of air and the probability of electrons getting 
from point A to B.
Ahem... Paschen actually didn't take any data down low enough to get to 
the minimum.  His data fits pretty well on a straight line, and says 
only that p*d = constant for a given voltage.  I just got a copy of the 
graphs from his paper, and I'll put them up in a day or two. (the 
paper's already out there.. send me an email and I'll send you the link).
 The curve shows that as the pressure is decreased,
breakdown voltage will drop (340V) and then will increase as pressure 
continues to drop (one of the strange phenomenons of the density of 
molecules in a low pressure environment. So what happens when we 
increase pressure? Well, breakdown voltage increases (unless were below 
that area of the curve described above).
In the "straight line" region (where Paschen actually worked), you're 
looking at avalanche breakdown.  But when the gap gets small or the 
density gets low, (i.e. the mean free path starts to be comparable to 
the gap), other factors come into play.
There's some well known data for small gaps where the breakdown does NOT 
occur at the shortest distance.
In general, as the pressure is increased, the breakdown voltage should 
increase and mainly due to the product of d x p (distance and pressure). 
So if we double p, we should halve d for the same arc voltage. This is 
one of my main points about hyperbaric gaps I've tried to mention in the 
past regarding "cause of performance". Say we double the pressure and 
leave the gap distance unchanged. Did we just double our arc voltage? 
Probably not.  You may have doubled the breakdown voltage, but not the 
arc voltage, especially for mm length arcs, where the cathode drop is 
the bulk of the voltage.
Yes we did. Is this being accounted for? I doubt it. I think were 
currently just applying a mechanical air force into the gap and 
observing the "performance". I'm not sure what the actual pressure 
differential is, but I have a hunch that the performance increase is due 
to the pressure causing the arc voltage to climb and thus the energy 
release to be greater (and thus, a hyperbaric gap at 0.2" cannot be 
compared to a blown gap at 0.2" with all else the same). If the pressure 
was known, then we could increase the blown gap distance equivalently, 
at which point, both gaps may perform similarly.
With the physics, it may be wise to identify and adjust the breakdown 
voltage of hyperbaric gaps under pressure on the workbench before 
running the TC (at least with an NST).
I agree
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