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Re: [TCML] Bleeding resistors for MMC



Great! Thanks a lot Jim, Henry, Joh, that really cleared it up.

Now, last thing I'm going to have to bug you guys with. In the formula "P=V^2/R", when you say "V is the voltage across the capacitor (volts.)", do you mean the voltage from the power supply divided by the number of capacitors, or the rated voltage of each capacitor?

Thanks a lot guys,
Brandon

On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Henry Hallam <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In the general case you should use farads and ohms, then the result
will be in seconds.

But there's a handy shortcut, because:
1 Mohm = 1,000,000 ohms
1 uF = 0.000 001 farads
1 Mohm * 1 uF = 1,000,000 * 0.000 001 = 1 second

so you can actually multiply megaohms by microfarads and get the
answer in seconds, because the factors of 10^6 and 10^-6 cancel.


Henry


On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Brandon Hendershot
<brandonhendershot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
For t=RC, what are the units for Capacitance? nf, uf, etc? Also, If I'm using a 10M ohm resistor, would I use 10 for the value of R, or 10,000,000?
Thanks Tyler,
Brandon

On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tyler Pauly <rpggod714@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

For P=V^2/R, P is power dissipated in resistor, in watts.  V is the
voltage across the capacitor (volts.) R is the resistance (in ohms) of the
resistor you are using.

For t=RC, the resistance of the resistor times the capacitance of the capacitor it's wired across gives you a time, t, in seconds. This time is the time it takes for the voltage to drop from Vo (initial V) to Vo/e (as in e=2.718...) In other words, every time t seconds passes for a given RC, the voltage drops to ~37 percent of the voltage before t seconds had elapsed.
 So for 2 time constants, it would be .37(.37Vo), or .135Vo.

The idea is to find a resistor that gives you a nice quick time constant, without requiring a large power rating. It's usually not too difficult to
do though, MMC caps don't require fancy resistors.

Tyler



----- Original Message ----
From: Brandon Hendershot <brandonhendershot@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Tesla Coil Mailing List <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 10:33:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TCML] Bleeding resistors for MMC

Minor Bump,
Could you shed some light on what the variables in these formulas
represent?
Thanks,
Brandon

On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Henry Hallam <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Design the bleeders on a per-capacitor basis. Each capacitor should
have its own bleeder.

If you are arranging your MMC as 3 parallel sets of 8 series
capacitors, each capacitor will see 1kV RMS (if you're not sizing for
mains resonance).  Then a 10 Mohm resistor will dissipate 0.1 watt
(P=V^2/R), and will discharge the capacitor to a safe voltage in 3
seconds (1kV discharges to 50V in 3 time constants, t=3*R*C)

You could also use 2M resistors (0.5 watts, 0.6 seconds), or 20M
resistors (0.05 watts, 6 seconds), or ...

Be sure that the resistor will withstand the voltage, as well as being
able to dissipate the heat.  You should either
1. Find resistors that are rated for 1kV
2. Put two smaller resistors in series for each capacitor
or
3. Use them beyond their voltage rating and hope they don't arc over.

Henry


2010/2/22 John Byström <zrc@xxxxxxx>:

I know this question has been brought up before, but they
were a bit old posts and I don't know if there is anything new
in the "Tesla world" and opinions and rules maybe have
changed.

For my 8kV 50mA NST I'm gonna have a 37,5nF MMC bank,
with 0.1uF capacitors. If I've made the calculations right from
the formulas I found, I need a resistor with the value 20Mohm
and handle 3,2W. How important is this?

Because I probably gonna order both the capacitors and
resistors from Elfa, and they don't have any over 1/2W. Does
that mean I need around 6-7 resistors over each capacitor?

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