# [TCML] Re: Varian/Wallis Multiplier stack

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On Tuesday, April 30, 2013, Jim Lux wrote:

> On 4/30/13 11:38 AM, Patrick Reid wrote:
>
>> Varian/Wallis Multiplier stack I want use this for a new project I working
>> on cant find any info on it anyone have any suggestions we are talking
>> 180,000 to 200,000 kvdc at 5ma to the primary coil do the math should be a
>> hell of a show thanks for any hell you could give me
>>
>>
> So you want to drive a TC primary at 100kV?
>
> What were you going to use as the primary capacitor?   5mA @ 100kV is
> 500W, so power-wise, it's like running a big NST.
>
> YOu're going to do this immersed in oil or SF6 or something?  From
> personal experience, once you start getting much above 30-40kV in air,
> corona losses (and exciting flashovers) start to be an issue.
>
> If your break rate is, say, 100-150 Hz, you're storing around 5 Joules in
> the primary C.. so you need 5=C(uF)* 100(kV)^2/2 => C = 1/1000 uF = 1 nF,
> which isn't too huge.   Maxwell/GA makes pulse caps with this kind of
> voltage rating and capacitance, although more likely, you'd want to series
> up some smaller, cheaper caps.  Maybe a stack of 4 beer bottle/bucket
> caps?<grin>)
>
> What's your fRes going to be?
>
> YOu're not going to get a significantly higher secondary voltage just
> because the primary is running at a high voltage. Although if the whole
> thing is in oil or SF6 or some other useful gas, you might get a Megavolt
> or more out of it (see Tuve's coil that put out 5MV back in the 30s or 40s).
>
> If the goal is just to get a Megavolt (worthy in and of itself), you might
> find an impulse transformer to be a better approach.  Or if you want
> clever, some sort of stacked Blumlein pulse former.
>
>
> A practical detail.  Standard voltage multiplier stacks are VERY sensitive
> to sudden discharge destroying the diodes at the top of the stack. If you
> short the output, the energy stored in the stack gets dumped through the
> tippy top diode, usually destroying it.  multipliers are usually used for
> sort of "DC" type loads, and often have some sort of current limiting
> (series inductor or resistor) to protect them in the event of a flashover.
>
> At 100-200kV, you WILL have flashovers in an experimental rig..  I used a
> Peltor Tactical hearing protector (like shooters use, about \$70) with the
> gain turned up, you can really hear the evil hiss as the corona starts, but
> when it goes bang, the headphones shut down to protect your ears and reduce
> the "startle" response.
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