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Re: [TCML] Ion generator + VDG eats my power supply



The main NPN transistor on the voltage control board tested like a regular .6 volt rdiode from base to collector and emitter. I think thats enough to claim it is still functional but i would welcome any other suggestions.

The nasty lingering burnt plastic smell comes directly from the quad op amp so im assuming its totally destroyed. Now to find a replacement here in minnesota. We seem to have a lack of old school electronics shops now such a shame. :(

Matt


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From: "msweeney23@xxxxxxxxx" <msweeney23@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [TCML] Ion generator + VDG eats my power supply
Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2015 1:56 PM

It appears the HA17324a quad op amp fried. The Vn(+)2 input pin actually melted right off the IC. I assume that would be an overcurrent situation, possibly caused by some other component failing.

I dont see any other obvious damage except for the op amp, but ill test what i can to be sure.

I have education in radio and video electronic engineering but this topic was never discussed. And that was twenty years ago :) (we were still fixing CRTs).




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From: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [TCML] Ion generator + VDG eats my power supply
Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2015 1:29 PM

On 10/3/15 9:20 PM, msweeney23@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I purchased a few cheapo 12VDC/15KV negative ion generators and set one up with my VDG.
>
> I was using an expensive 30 amp lab grade power supply set to 4VDC. I grounded the case of the power supply and used the +/- of the ion generator to produce corona from the lower brush.
>
> It worked amazing ive never seen that power output before, very thick loud sparks 10 inches for a few seconds then smoke from the power supply :(
>
> Can ayone explain why this might have occured? I just wasted a $200 variable supply and not entirely sure how to go about fixing it (it still outputs 12VDC but no longer variable).
>

That nice snappy spark is a very fast rise time high current pulse, and 
will induce remarkably high voltages in a victim loop. It's all about 
di/dt, and the area of the loop.

More than one person on this list has killed their power supply driving 
a voltage multiplier or Marx system.  The typical scenario has a 20kV or 
so multiplier running off a switcher feeding a Marx with half a dozen or 
more stages.  The 12V power is a couple of clip leads or similar laying 
on the bench feeding the switcher, and separated by a few inches.
The Marx goes "bang", the power supply fails.

Another scenario is that there's a "ground bounce" when the system 
fires, and that pushes the power supply output way out of the common 
mode range for some component.

Your power supply may not tolerate several hundred volt spikes coming 
back from the load very well.  If it has current and voltage limiting, 
there's some sort of error amplifiers across a measuring resistor. Those 
amplifiers often have a "not very many volts" common mode limit 
(particularly in the negative direction). An unexpected 100V transient 
fries the current error amplifier which is usually measuring the voltage 
drop across a small resistor in series with the output.




> I wish i had a video to share, but it all happened to fast. I think its something to do with grounding the case.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
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