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Re: grounding question



Original poster: Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

At 10:15 PM 10/10/2006, Tesla list wrote:
Original poster: "Gerry  Reynolds" <gerryreynolds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Gary,

Your post is very interesting. Our house also has the breaker panel grounded to the copper pipe bringing water into the house. An electrical contractor for our area says that this connection is no longer done and instead the breaker panel is grounded via a rod pounded into the ground at the breaker panel. Seems like a step back according to your measurements. I wonder if the reason for the change has to do with electrolysis of the copper pipe.

Nope.. has to do with the fact that water mains are not always metal any more. Plastic is more and more common.


Anyway, if a grounding rod is good enough for the breaker panel then why not good enough for a TC RF ground.


Lots of reasons. the breaker panel ground is designed for line frequency grounding, primarily for human life safety. If a live wire inside something shorts to the case, and the case is grounded, then someone standing on the floor (also grounded) won't get a shock. The goal of the electrical safety ground (green wire) is two fold: a) keep cases of things at "ground potential" and b)provide a low enough impedance path so that the overcurrent protection (fuse or circuit breaker) pops. (notable failure of the latter: MGM Grand hotel fire)

At the breaker panel, one of the AC service conductors (the "neutral" ) is connected to ground, to insure that the entire system stays within a reasonable voltage of "ground" (so that insulation breakdown doesn't happen, for one thing). The neutral is called the "grounded conductor" in code-lingo (as opposed to the green wire, which is "grounding conductor"). In the U.S., in 3 phase systems, for Wye/Star, the center point is the Neutral/Grounded conductor. For delta connected, often the centertap of one phase is grounded (just like single phase 120/240 services).

None of these are designed or intended for decent RF grounding.


The RF choke between RF ground and safety ground is probably fine for the fundamental RF (say 100KHz), however if a secondary strike hits an object that is earth grounded, the RF choke may do little to keep the return current out of the house wiring.

I would think that in a "RF isolated" system (such as contemplated here) you'd really, really want to avoid strikes to things NOT connected to the RF ground; i.e. you want strikes ONLY to the counterpoise, and if you have a "grounded" electrode to draw strikes, you want it connected to the counterpoise, not "earth ground".

Can't do anything about transients induced in surrounding circuits, of course.


The return current will probably travel up the green wire in parallel with the RF grounding rod to some extent. At the very high frequencies associated with an impulse current, the RF choke probably looks like a capacitor.