In a message dated 96-10-26 00:57:59 EDT, you write: <snip> << If this is true we could not have a capacitor with a charge that has no dielectric (vacuum). We can, however, and the charge must be held on the plates. >> <snip> Here Here! I always thought that the charge was held on the plates but was influenced by the dielectric.... Interesting question. Somehow I think you'r right. - DavidF -