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RE: my absolutely last post re: c^2 and Longitudinal Waves



Original poster: "Loudner, Godfrey by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <gloudner-at-SINTE.EDU>

Hi RWW


The purpose of the Michelson-Morley experiment was to detect the possible
existence of an ether wind. Michelson and Morley did not detect an ether
wind, nor did any other experimenters ever detect an ether wind. Einstein
proposed his special theory of relativity to explain why no ether wind was
detected. Einstein had to do away with the concept of absolute velocity.
Even if an ether wind exist, it has been speculated that it can never be
detected by any experiment. If an ether wind can never be observed, it
cannot be included in any physical theory.

The statement "aether is not orthogonally oriented to 3D space" has no
meaning in differential geometry.

Nothing in Einstein's or Dirac's theories were based upon postulating the
existence of an ether. Dirac won the Noble prize for his work on electron
spin and proposing the existence of the positron. After Anderson's
experiment proved the existence of the positron, Dirac was awarded the Noble
prize for physics.

The Poynting vector has nothing to do with the ether concept. 

Godfrey Loudner

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> Subject:	RE: my absolutely last post re: c^2 and Longitudinal Waves
> 
> Original poster: "Wall Richard Wayne by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <rwall-at-ix-dot-netcom-dot-com>
> 
> Matt,
>  
> You've skillfully avoided answering my questions.  I say again, what
> exactly
> did  Michelson-Morley concluded about their 
> experiments?   If you don't know, better go look it up.  Their experiments
> are
> flawed in that they assumed a three dimensional frame of reference for
> aether
> as the earth moved through it.  They were looking for a shift in light
> phase as
> the earth moved through the aether.  Their assumption was not justified as
> the
> aether is not orthogonally oriented to 3D space.  So, their experiment
> cannot
> be interpreted and is null.  Likewise Einstein's statement, "Any observer
> will
> always find the same value 
> for light in vacuo relative to himself, regardless of the direction of
> travel
> of the light and regardless of the velocity of the source." 
> is true, but has no relevance as to the existence of aether.  Hard to
> believe,
> but aether is not bound by three dimensional geometry.
>  
> BTW, Einstein embrace the existence of aether until his death.  It's well
> documented in his writings.  The existence of aether is having a
> Renaissance of
> sorts in modern physics.  There are many experiments that detect aether,
> ZPE or
> what ever name is fashionable.  Dirac predicted it and won the Nobel prize
> for
> it.  A good example is recent experimental measurement of the Casmir
> effect. 
> There are others.  
>  
> Knowing all there is to know and subsequent denial and exclusion of all
> else is
> to know nothing.
>  
> RWW
>  
> This aether discussion is germane to Tesla coiling since it involves the
> Poynting vector force without which Tesla coils cannot function.
> >
> >  
> > >
> > > 2. The Aether does NOT exist. (cf Michelson-Morley experiment and
> > Einstein's 
> > > interpretation thereof)
> > >
> > > Can you tell us exactly what Michelson-Morley concluded about their
> > > experiments?  
> > > Also what was Einstein's interpretation regarding the MM experiments? 
> > Cites
> > > would
> > > be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > RWW
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >          In 1881 Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Moreley performed a
> > classic
> > experiment that contributed to the downfall of such concepts as absolute
> > space
> > and the ether (aether). The generally accepted theories of late 19th
> century
> > science required space to be filled with a medium (the aether) through
> which
> > light and other electromagnetic waves were thought to propagate. This
> Aether
> > was needed to provide an absolute reference frame in which light
> propagated
> > at
> > velocity c. Such an absolute reference frame and the aether proposed to
> fill
> > it
> > were undetectable; i.e., the Aether, if it existed had no measurable
> physical
> > properties. 
> >          Einstein concluded that "Any observer will always find the same
> > value
> > for light in vacuo relative to himself, regardless of the direction of
> travel
> > of the light and regardless of the velocity of the source." 
> >          Without going heavily into relativity theory, the outcome was
> the
> > following:
> >  
> > 1. The existence of the Aether is not necessary to explain any
> observable
> > physical phenomena.
> > 2.  The Aether has no detectable physical properties.   
> >  
> > This puts the Aether into the realm of gods and angels; a subject more
> for
> > epistemological philosophers than Tesla Coilers. i.e.  If something
> cannot be
> > detected by any means in the physical universe,  does not interact in
> any
> > physical way with that universe, and is unnecessary to the explanation
> of the
> > physical universe,  in what sense can it be said to exist?
> >  
> > >From the preface to "The Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience." , Dr. W.F.
> > Williams,
> > ed. in reference to Ether Theory and Phlogiston Theory:
> > "Each was examined rigorously for a considerable period, was eventually
> found
> > wanting, and was abandoned when a better explanation emerged. In their
> day
> > they
> > could hardly be described as pseudoscience., but a committed advocate
> of
> > either theory today would definitely  be into Pseudoscience."
> >  
> > See also:
> >  
> > "The Principle of Relativity", Albert Einstein, Hendrik Lorentz, H.
> > Minkowski,
> > and Hermann Weyl, English Translation Dover Publications, 1979
> >  
> > "Elements of Physics" , George Shortly and Dudley Williams,
> Prentice-Hall
> > 1961
> >  
> > "Hidden Unity in Nature's Laws" , John C. Taylor, Cambridge Univ. Press,
> 2001
> >  
> > "College Physics" Francis W. Sears and Mark W. Zemansky, Addison-Wesley,
> 1960
> >  
> > "Elementary Modern Physics" , Richard T. Weidner and Robert L. Sells,
> Allyn &
> > Bacon, 1968
> >  
> > "Special Relativity" , W. Rendler, Oliver & Boyd pub., 1960
> >  
> > "Theory of Relativity" ,Wolfgang Pauli, (G. Field transl.), Dover
> > Publications,
> > 1981
> >  
> > "Physics - Concepts and Connections", Art Hobson, Prentice-Hall 1999
> >  
> > "A History of Science and its relation with Philosophy and Religion"
> Sir
> > William Cecil Dampier, Cambridge Univ. Press 1948
> >  
> > "Einstein - The Life and Times" , Ronald W. Clark, World Publishing,
> 1971
> >  
> > "Naturforschung von Heute", Nelson Van de Lutster,
> Appleton-Century-Crofts,
> > 1963
> >  
> > Matt D.
> > G3-1085
> >  
> 
>