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Re: Transformerless Tesla coil



Original poster: "Jolyon Vater Cox by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <jolyon-at-vatercox.freeserve.co.uk>

Returning to the "trifilar balun" idea (but without the trifilar
winding)how about this:-

             +------+----to ring
             |      |
            L1      |
+ ----+--C1--+      |
      |      |      |
      |     L2      C3
      o      |      |
PSU   gap    +--+   |
      o      |  |   |
      |     L3  GND |
      |      |      |
- ----+--C2--+------+

L1=L2=L3
C1=C2
C3=C1/3

Surely it is possible to design a 3-inductor balun which works with
NO magnetic coupling at all(similar to transformerless tesla coil) if
the output is a parallel-tuned tank circuit?

Wouldn't the use of non-coupled inductors avoid problem of
inter-winding breakdown associated with conventional transformer
baluns when used at high voltages?

Would common-mode voltages be a problem with this circuit too?


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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Transformerless Tesla coil


> Original poster: "Antonio Carlos M. de Queiroz by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <acmq-at-compuland-dot-com.br>
>
> Tesla list wrote:
> >
> > Original poster: "Jolyon Vater Cox by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <jolyon-at-vatercox.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> > The purpose of the network shown in my diagram was to solve two problems
> > inherent in  driving a single end-grounded coil from a centre tapped HV
> > transformer, firstly, to isolate the output resonator from the high
voltage
> > power supply, and secondly, to protect the transformer from damage due
to
> > common mode noise. The split MMC would solve the first problem but would
not
> > solve the latter.
>
> Would reduce the common voltage level by 2.
>
> > Seen from the ring -to -ground side the network is parallel tuned tank
> > circuit of L1,L2,C2 and C3
> > L1 is equal to L2  and C2 is equal to C3. It is only necessary that
series
> > tuned circuit of C1 and L3 be resonant at the same frequency as the
parallel
> > tank.
>
> The impedance seen by the ring os ok, but this configuration charges
> C1, C2, and C3 with identical voltages (see picture) before the gap
> fires. The correct initial conditions would be charges (+ above and
> - below) in C2 and C3 only.
>
> > Also, looking from the ring to ground side if a signal were applied at
the
> > resonant frequency, two equal antiphase signals at the same frequency
would
> > appear at HV1 and HV2 respectively. The resultant signals would be
> > differential mode not common mode (unless I am mistaken!) The network is
> > passive so in theory it works the other way too.
>
> They would be common mode, as L1-L2 and C2-C3 form two identical
> voltage dividers. L3 and C1 would have no influence, as they and
> the transformer would be at the output of a balanced bridge.
>
> > On the latter point of the uncertainty of whether both gaps would fire I
> > have redrawn
> > the diagram below to show a single gap across both of the HV rails-
would
> > this not ensure
> > more reliable gap firing?
>
> Just to see what would happen, I run a simulation of the entire circuit
> using the values of a regular capacitive tranformer circuit L1a, C1a
> L2a, C2a, C3a, with C1=C1a, L3=L1a, L1=L2=L1a/2, C2=C3=2*C1a, and
> the other elements as in the original. The oscillation
> remains in C1-L3 only, with no energy transfer to the output...
> And there is common mode voltage in the gap.
> There is probably a way to design the network for correct operation,
> but I doubt that common mode voltages in the gap can be eliminated
> with this structure.
>
>                       +-----------to influence ring
>                       |
>                   +---+---+
>                   |       |+
>                   L1     C2
>                   |       |-
>     HV1----+--C1--+       +--L3--+
>            | +  - |       |-     |
>            |      L2     C3      |
>            |      |       |+     |
>     CT-+  SG1     +---+---+      |
>        |   |          |          |
>      GND   |        GND          |
>            |                     |
>     HV2----+---------------------+
>
> Antonio Carlos M. de Queiroz
>
>
>
>
>