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Hi Bert, et al, My newest gap is driven by a DC motor and has 8 equal spaced .5" tungsten electrodes (one of several works in progress). The motor is very rugged but will top out at 426 breaks calculated at full voltage rating DC (PWM). I have an aircore choke that I use with my pig. It is thin wall 4" pvc wound 12 inches with milspec Teflon insulated 1000v silver coated 19 strand copper held in place with a thin coat of epoxy. This was a recommendation from DC Cox and he had one on top the Big Bruiser controller if I remember correctly feeding out the "Big Red" HV line to the big gap and tank. I seem to remember it was 100 turns. I also have a stash of HV ceramic puck caps that screw together to send some hash to ground. ** The charging inductor has always been the fly in the ointment on this project ;-^) Terry Fritz sold me a 20KV utility pole transient protector but it may it may fire all the time though I think it is intended to handle lightning transients. But I haven't looked at it in some time and never tested it. I have six identical MOT's and others but didn't want to go down that road. I will take the path of least resistance if it will be robust. I did brake down that 10KVA dual C core transformer today, not easy! They are big cores and I found a company that makes multi-sectional Bobbins in selectable materials that fit it. I'll call their engineering department tomorrow to see what they say. Let's review the 3H charge inductor and .1uf tank combination: Using Richie's standard F-res first equation formula and assuming a low loss inductor I get 291 hertz. How do you arrive at 600hz? Since I will have a lower break rate, is increasing the inductance slightly reasonable? This brings down the frequency of resonance even lower, yes? Bert I really want to extend my appreciation for your help on this long side lined project. This Is turning out to be a "learning opportunity". Viva Lichtenberg discharges, shrunken quarters, and long streamers! Jim Mora -----Original Message----- From: Tesla [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bert Hickman Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:18 PM To: Tesla Coil Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCML] How I modified the 3 phase for dual wye 5KV 2xI Hi Jim, Winding and insulating a single HV inductor that can reliably withstand 25 kV swings from scratch will be a challenging task. At the very least, the winding should consist of a number of identical "pies", each robustly insulated from their neighbors and from the core. The winding construction would be similar to that used in large induction coils or higher-voltage transformers. Another approach is the inductor equivalent of an MMC: break the inductor into a number of smaller identical isolated inductors and connect these in series to provide the desired bulk inductance and share the total voltage stress. Designing an inductor to handle 25 kV is much tougher than designing (or buying) a number of smaller chokes that can withstand 3-5 kV apiece. I would suggest constructing or buying six to eight smaller independently-insulated inductors and then either immersing them in oil or vacuum impregnating them with a dielectric resin. For your system, let's assume your tank cap is 0.1 uF and your target break rate is 400 BPS with an input of 208V 3-phase, to deliver 10 kW of output power. Your 6-pulse DC Supply voltage (optionally using a 1-2 uF DC storage cap and your rewired transformer) is about 12.25 kV. To provide your stated maximum break rate of 600 BPS (and ~15 kW of power), the charging inductor should be ~3 Henries. The peak voltage across the charging inductor assembly will be ~25 kV whenever the spark gap fires. Assuming you use eight isolated inductors, each inductor would be ~375 mH. Each inductor should be designed to operate at an RMS current of 1.5 amp without saturation in order to handle maximum break rate of 600 BPS. Each choke will need to withstand ~3 kV from end-to-end, insulation for each inductor is not very stringent. All cores should be floating or connected to the inner-most winding and mounted on standoffs. To reduce corona (especially for those inductors nearest the output side), immersion in oil or other means of E-field control and corona suppression may be necessary. Remember that the core material in your chokes will be operating at the resonant frequency of your DC charging system - for your system, about 600 Hz. You may want to use thinner laminations (scavenged from 400 Hz or audio transformers) or iron-powder or similar E-I material to reduce core losses during operation. Standard 60Hz core material will work, but it will get quite hot in this high ripple current application. You may also want to insert a well-insulated single-layer RF choke between the charging inductor module that's nearest the 2X output and the spark gap. This inductor must also be capable of withstanding 25 kV. The RFC helps to reduce excessive turn-to-turn voltage stress that will otherwise appear across the last few winding layers of the charging inductor created by high dv/dt transients when the spark gap fires. A small bypass capacitor or a reverse-biased HV rectifier from the charging inductor/RFC node to the negative DC rail can also help suppress the VHF transients from backing up into your charging inductors. See Greg Leyh's recently posted comments about his Medium Power DC Tesla Coil in earlier posts. Good luck and best wishes, Bert -- Bert Hickman Stoneridge Engineering http://www.capturedlightning.com *********************************************************************** World's source for "Captured Lightning" Lichtenberg Figure sculptures, magnetically "shrunken" coins, and scarce/out of print technical books *********************************************************************** <snip> _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla