Re: lifter power supply (fwd)

[Steven Roys <sroys@xxxxxxxx>]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:20:51 EDT
From: Mddeming@xxxxxxx
To: hvlist@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: lifter power supply (fwd)

In a message dated 7/29/03 10:06:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
hvlist@xxxxxxxxxx writes:


> >My question, though, is this: are these for real? I'm guessing there must
> be
> >something to it, if it attracted Terry's interest. But until I saw them
> >discussed here, I had long relegated the idea to "pseudo-scientific
> hogwash"
> >status. I was first exposed to the idea in
> >free-energy/antigravity/Tesla-Venusian-mind-ray type circles, and I don't
> >recall seeing any more "reputable" information on them.
>
> They are very "real" ;-))
>
> http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
>
> Check out this page where they are lifting a living mouse with one!!!!!!!!!
>
> http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/orville/index.htm
>
> They have "movies" and all!!!!
>
> Orville's Lifter-Craft "Maximus" specifications :
> Orville, the mouse weight : 24g
> Lifter "Maximus" weight ( on 01-08-03 ) : 140 g
> Orville's Lifter pod weight : 16 g
> Total weight of the Lifter-craft with Orville is : 180 g
> Power supply voltage : 35KV DC
> Current : about 10mA
> HV Power : about 350 Watts
>

Hi All,
       Yes, they are "real" - useful or practical propulsion is another
matter. Using their numbers,  a power to weight ratio of ~2kW/kg or 1.2 hp/lb
(gross vehicle weight),
means that a self-contained lifter power system, (generator, transformer,
rectifiers, fuel, etc.) capable of 10 KVA output would have to weigh less than 12
pounds just to lift itself, with no payload.
       Under in-door laboratory conditions, it is possible to paddle a canoe
with a teaspoon. However, as practical propulsion, it would require several
orders of magnitude improvement in our "teaspoons".
       Looked at another way, hot-air balloons are very real and have been
around for centuries. but using a hot-air balloon and grappling hooks to lift an
armored car is still a cartoon device only.

Matt D.